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Yesterday the occupational health "telephone consultation" went ahead as planned. It wasn't long enough really and I was unable to really say everything that I needed to. But they did agree that my continued absence from work was the correct thing to do for me in this situation and they'd recommend redeployment of some kind.
... And then a few hours later they call me again, saying that HR had been in contact to see if it was possible they could give me a face to face consultation. That is true, I had mentioned to HR that I felt a telephone consultation wouldn't be appropriate and they'd look into getting the face to face consultation.
But it's taken occupational health two weeks or more to process that request and only acted on it after the telephone consultation had actually happened. So what then is the point of organising the face to face consultation to say exactly the same things?
Very ineffective communication on so many levels.
Baaargh so fed up and frustrated.
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That's amore”
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Didn't get the job, neves got the better of me and I didn't manage to show my potential 
“When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie
That's amore”
That's amore”
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So with that interview and rejection out of the way my next focus is my formal meeting with HR at work. Since I'm still off work and certificated by my doctor for stress they want to know what they can do to get me back to work.
After all manner of miscommunications I've taken the initiative and got all the various aspects put in place. I've now got a written assessment from occupational health confirming that a return to work would not be appropriate until the problems are sorted out. I have now have a date set for the formal meeting and I have a union rep to look after my side of things incase I let myself get talked into a corner.
I'll be pushing for redeployment to a different department and job role with more regular hours. Since I've been off work, my sleeping has slowly improved to the point that I've actually got a decent sleep routine for first time in years which would be ruined by a return to shift work.
In the meantime I'll still be looking for and applying for other jobs and I'm doing a home study course to get a level 3 diploma in business administration, it's roughly equivalent to an a level. I got the feedback on my first module of it yesterday and it was really positive, my tutor said they were impressed with my depth of knowledge, understanding and presentation. That overall it was an excellent piece of work.
After all manner of miscommunications I've taken the initiative and got all the various aspects put in place. I've now got a written assessment from occupational health confirming that a return to work would not be appropriate until the problems are sorted out. I have now have a date set for the formal meeting and I have a union rep to look after my side of things incase I let myself get talked into a corner.
I'll be pushing for redeployment to a different department and job role with more regular hours. Since I've been off work, my sleeping has slowly improved to the point that I've actually got a decent sleep routine for first time in years which would be ruined by a return to shift work.
In the meantime I'll still be looking for and applying for other jobs and I'm doing a home study course to get a level 3 diploma in business administration, it's roughly equivalent to an a level. I got the feedback on my first module of it yesterday and it was really positive, my tutor said they were impressed with my depth of knowledge, understanding and presentation. That overall it was an excellent piece of work.
“When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie
That's amore”
That's amore”
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Good news everyone..
I've got another job interview!
I've got another job interview!
“When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie
That's amore”
That's amore”
Re: Baaargh so fed up and frustrated.
I've finally had my first formal meeting at work, and the general consensus is to support me with redeployment to a different location and role.
To this end I will be added to the redployment register.
I'm feeling a tiny bit more positive about my future although still very nervous about it.
At least my business admin course which I enrolled on is going well, actually very well I received extremely positive feedback on my second module yesterday and this gives me confidence that I've pocked the right career route for my future.
To this end I will be added to the redployment register.
I'm feeling a tiny bit more positive about my future although still very nervous about it.
At least my business admin course which I enrolled on is going well, actually very well I received extremely positive feedback on my second module yesterday and this gives me confidence that I've pocked the right career route for my future.
“When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie
That's amore”
That's amore”
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Hope things continue to take a positive course and they deploy you into somewhere where you feel happy.
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With a foot full of bullets I tried to run faster but I just hobbled on to the next disaster.
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Re: Baaargh so fed up and frustrated.
Good luck with the redeployment, I did similar about 18 months ago and it has worked wonders. I'm hoping it all works out well for you!
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Thanks.
Essentially it's going towards providing options for me. If I'm brutally honest I'm grateful if I'm given a little extra help now (even if it looks like preferential treatment) because my perpetual lack of confidence makes it extremely difficult for me to get jobs. My lack of experience in administration doesn't sell me to risk averse employers either, so if my current organisation gives me a better chance of making that move then I need to take advantage of that.
I've often felt that I've lost out to people less reliable and sometimes people less capable than me but who get by because they can bullshit and have no scruples walking all over people to get what they want. I struggle against that because I'm not at all competitive and end up being the proverbial doormat.
It's been a massive action for me to take, going on long term sickness from work I mean. Because it makes my future very uncertain. There's always the niggling doubt of what if someone, a Doctor, an HR manager doesn't agree with my reasons for doing this and forces me into a yet deeper dilemma? Because the last thing I want is to be forced back into the same environment again because it would simply destroy me. I'd sooner resign from my job altogether in that situation and that would leave me with no income and no welfare support either.
But I've had to become quite selfish in some ways, I've had to put myself first. Which I am not used to doing. I'm more used to being manipulated by other people's demands and flexing around their conditions. But that has to stop because it's ruining my well being.
So at the moment I will take any advantage I can, even at risk of others seeing it as favouritism. The way I see it my Dyspraxic symptoms put me at a disadvantage against society in general so a little help when it comes (which isn't often) helps to readdress the balance a tiny bit.
Right now I have a few opportunities to focus on. The most realistic is redployment within my current organisation and this is what I'll be pushing for. I also have an interview next month with a different organisation, I hope to impress them but I don't see it as my most realistic route simply because of my difficulty with interviews.
Furthermore my friend and depty manager of my current job has confided in me that they're they've been given the go ahead to create a new role dedicated to security, (something that the incumbent management have always described me as "second to none" at) that it will be mon-fri 9-5 and completely outside of the nursing team. Would I consider it?
Well, I wouldn't automatically rule it out but I have to be honest. Apart from the removal from shift work, it doesn't appeal to me much. I have many alarm bells in my head about it. Firstly I'm not sure that they even know what they expect a fully dedicated security person to do because I effectively took on all the security type stuff there anyway with no additional benefit to myself and I never really felt like I knew what I was doing. I don't think they knew what it was all about either. And so for me even to consider this it'd have be very clearly defined.
And even then... I'd be weary. It'd be a tidy opportunity for them to simply move me sideways within my current contract, save themselves money and work whilst I could find myself being roped back to covering for others in my old duties and being lumbered with all the same burdens. Since the environment has gone a long way to creating the stresses on me... This route sounds awfully like returning to the same environment.
I'd probably be the "favourite" to get the role, because of my past performance. But knowing the environment there as I do.. I don't see it suiting me very well going forward. So I hope to meet to discuss it and learn about their intentions before I show my hand. Because based upon my experience and current info about it... I'd turn it down in favour of full redeployment.
Essentially it's going towards providing options for me. If I'm brutally honest I'm grateful if I'm given a little extra help now (even if it looks like preferential treatment) because my perpetual lack of confidence makes it extremely difficult for me to get jobs. My lack of experience in administration doesn't sell me to risk averse employers either, so if my current organisation gives me a better chance of making that move then I need to take advantage of that.
I've often felt that I've lost out to people less reliable and sometimes people less capable than me but who get by because they can bullshit and have no scruples walking all over people to get what they want. I struggle against that because I'm not at all competitive and end up being the proverbial doormat.
It's been a massive action for me to take, going on long term sickness from work I mean. Because it makes my future very uncertain. There's always the niggling doubt of what if someone, a Doctor, an HR manager doesn't agree with my reasons for doing this and forces me into a yet deeper dilemma? Because the last thing I want is to be forced back into the same environment again because it would simply destroy me. I'd sooner resign from my job altogether in that situation and that would leave me with no income and no welfare support either.
But I've had to become quite selfish in some ways, I've had to put myself first. Which I am not used to doing. I'm more used to being manipulated by other people's demands and flexing around their conditions. But that has to stop because it's ruining my well being.
So at the moment I will take any advantage I can, even at risk of others seeing it as favouritism. The way I see it my Dyspraxic symptoms put me at a disadvantage against society in general so a little help when it comes (which isn't often) helps to readdress the balance a tiny bit.
Right now I have a few opportunities to focus on. The most realistic is redployment within my current organisation and this is what I'll be pushing for. I also have an interview next month with a different organisation, I hope to impress them but I don't see it as my most realistic route simply because of my difficulty with interviews.
Furthermore my friend and depty manager of my current job has confided in me that they're they've been given the go ahead to create a new role dedicated to security, (something that the incumbent management have always described me as "second to none" at) that it will be mon-fri 9-5 and completely outside of the nursing team. Would I consider it?
Well, I wouldn't automatically rule it out but I have to be honest. Apart from the removal from shift work, it doesn't appeal to me much. I have many alarm bells in my head about it. Firstly I'm not sure that they even know what they expect a fully dedicated security person to do because I effectively took on all the security type stuff there anyway with no additional benefit to myself and I never really felt like I knew what I was doing. I don't think they knew what it was all about either. And so for me even to consider this it'd have be very clearly defined.
And even then... I'd be weary. It'd be a tidy opportunity for them to simply move me sideways within my current contract, save themselves money and work whilst I could find myself being roped back to covering for others in my old duties and being lumbered with all the same burdens. Since the environment has gone a long way to creating the stresses on me... This route sounds awfully like returning to the same environment.
I'd probably be the "favourite" to get the role, because of my past performance. But knowing the environment there as I do.. I don't see it suiting me very well going forward. So I hope to meet to discuss it and learn about their intentions before I show my hand. Because based upon my experience and current info about it... I'd turn it down in favour of full redeployment.
“When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie
That's amore”
That's amore”
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Hi Jim,
I didn't realise you were working in nursing. Do you mind me asking what it is that you do? My wife used to work as a doctor, and I know a bit about what it is like through her. I'm fully aware of how dramatically the environment can vary from one ward to the next, even within the same hospital (I'm assuming it's that kind of nursing you are talking about!).
I didn't realise you were working in nursing. Do you mind me asking what it is that you do? My wife used to work as a doctor, and I know a bit about what it is like through her. I'm fully aware of how dramatically the environment can vary from one ward to the next, even within the same hospital (I'm assuming it's that kind of nursing you are talking about!).
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For the past eight years I have worked as a health care assistant in mental health.
I have to provide care for people who have been detained and sectioned under the Mental Health Act 1983. I work in a "secure unit" which means that either my patients come directly from prison or are deemed to be at risk to both themselves or others. So basically they can't get out or have very restricted means for leave.
Needless to say I've encountered many aggressive and abusive types during my career there, I have had several narrow escapes where a disturbed patient has gone to assult me, and the odd occurrence when I didn't get out of the way quick enough and ended up in A+E for my injuries.
So it's a difficult enough occupation to tolerate at the best of times. But when you couple that with the never ending changes within the NHS and ever increasing of burden it gets to the point where you're simply burnt out from trying to adapt.
Many of you as dyspraxics I know will completely relate to the need of building the environment around you, as opposed to constantly adapting to the demands of the said environment. Realistically you know that there has to be a balance and you can't expect everything to go your way, but for too long I've been trying to adapt to things which my difficulties will not allow me to. Traditionally things and conditions have been imposed upon me without much thought on how they would affect me. Simply "needs of the business". In some ways I have been indirectly discriminated against.
It's the whole environment of several different factors including the inconsistent working conditions, increase of workload and burden and the internal politics and dynamics which has tipped me over the edge.
As a Dyspraxic I think I did a rather commendable job of coping and tolerating the stresses for as long as did, but now I need a change to look after myself and find an environment for myself which doesn't totally destroy me.
I have to provide care for people who have been detained and sectioned under the Mental Health Act 1983. I work in a "secure unit" which means that either my patients come directly from prison or are deemed to be at risk to both themselves or others. So basically they can't get out or have very restricted means for leave.
Needless to say I've encountered many aggressive and abusive types during my career there, I have had several narrow escapes where a disturbed patient has gone to assult me, and the odd occurrence when I didn't get out of the way quick enough and ended up in A+E for my injuries.
So it's a difficult enough occupation to tolerate at the best of times. But when you couple that with the never ending changes within the NHS and ever increasing of burden it gets to the point where you're simply burnt out from trying to adapt.
Many of you as dyspraxics I know will completely relate to the need of building the environment around you, as opposed to constantly adapting to the demands of the said environment. Realistically you know that there has to be a balance and you can't expect everything to go your way, but for too long I've been trying to adapt to things which my difficulties will not allow me to. Traditionally things and conditions have been imposed upon me without much thought on how they would affect me. Simply "needs of the business". In some ways I have been indirectly discriminated against.
It's the whole environment of several different factors including the inconsistent working conditions, increase of workload and burden and the internal politics and dynamics which has tipped me over the edge.
As a Dyspraxic I think I did a rather commendable job of coping and tolerating the stresses for as long as did, but now I need a change to look after myself and find an environment for myself which doesn't totally destroy me.
“When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie
That's amore”
That's amore”
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No joy on this front either I'm afraidJim wrote:Good news everyone..
I've got another job interview!
The interview went quite well and I really gave it my all. I had some very positive feedback, they just had someone better on the day who "raised the bar, and went over it".
I just have to keep on chipping away at it this, it'll come good in the end.
“When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie
That's amore”
That's amore”
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I hope it all comes good at some point. I assume the internal redeployment is still moving ahead?
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That's a "work in progress" another internal vacancy has interested me, I've applied for it and my HR manager will also talk to the responsible recruitment person for it. It doesn't mean at this stage that I will get it though.
“When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie
That's amore”
That's amore”
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Re: Baaargh so fed up and frustrated.
Hi Jim,
I have read your posts with a lot of admiration.
Like you, my husband survived a difficult work environment over a long period, with some frankly dodgy managers. He was so ground down by the whole process it started to affect his health and his GP signed him off with stress. Occupational Health were reasonably helpful, but his employers' response was dire
He loved his work and didn't see why he should have to leave. He hung on with gritted teeth, but in the end was pretty much booted out. I think it was for the best. He is still bitter about what he had to go through, but his health is much improved and he has a new job.
You seem to be a very articulate and intelligent person, who sees the reality of the situation they are in. It's not right or fair. Your experience and knowledge should be appreciated and supported. I know what you are saying about confidence at interviews, I don't do well at them either.The job market is very competitive but you will get there, you know it's the right thing to do and you will be able to congratulate yourself on surviving such a difficult time purely through your own effort
Good Luck
I have read your posts with a lot of admiration.
Like you, my husband survived a difficult work environment over a long period, with some frankly dodgy managers. He was so ground down by the whole process it started to affect his health and his GP signed him off with stress. Occupational Health were reasonably helpful, but his employers' response was dire
He loved his work and didn't see why he should have to leave. He hung on with gritted teeth, but in the end was pretty much booted out. I think it was for the best. He is still bitter about what he had to go through, but his health is much improved and he has a new job.You seem to be a very articulate and intelligent person, who sees the reality of the situation they are in. It's not right or fair. Your experience and knowledge should be appreciated and supported. I know what you are saying about confidence at interviews, I don't do well at them either.The job market is very competitive but you will get there, you know it's the right thing to do and you will be able to congratulate yourself on surviving such a difficult time purely through your own effort
Good Luck
"I'm not crazy about reality, but it's still the only place to get a decent meal." Groucho Marx
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Thanks.
I think the hardest thing for me to do through out this whole episode was to take the decision. Because it was a massive decision to have to make and when I make big decisions (which I rarely do) I tend to turn my back on it and close the door. That's important so I can move on.
Taking this decision and setting of the subsequent chain of events had a long lead up time. It was something which has been in the back of my mind for a long time, I deferred it for a very long time because I have a tendency to "carry on" often to my own detriment. It got to the point when only negative things were happening to or for me and I could no longer see a future for myself, I was on the brink of genuine depression and then I got the final catalyst and excuse I needed.
Since taking that decision it's been about taking control, I am now the master of my destiny (cue Star Wars music) Although it's not there yet, I can finally see a future which is right for me. And I have a chance to be happy which I haven't been for a very long time (if really ever).
I think the hardest thing for me to do through out this whole episode was to take the decision. Because it was a massive decision to have to make and when I make big decisions (which I rarely do) I tend to turn my back on it and close the door. That's important so I can move on.
Taking this decision and setting of the subsequent chain of events had a long lead up time. It was something which has been in the back of my mind for a long time, I deferred it for a very long time because I have a tendency to "carry on" often to my own detriment. It got to the point when only negative things were happening to or for me and I could no longer see a future for myself, I was on the brink of genuine depression and then I got the final catalyst and excuse I needed.
Since taking that decision it's been about taking control, I am now the master of my destiny (cue Star Wars music) Although it's not there yet, I can finally see a future which is right for me. And I have a chance to be happy which I haven't been for a very long time (if really ever).
“When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie
That's amore”
That's amore”