The impossibility of the application and inerview processes

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Avarice
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The impossibility of the application and inerview processes

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In my opinion the nub of the problem going for jobs that I and others here are qualified for is even IF it gets past the application form and interviews the selection procedure is INHERENTLY discriminatory.

They want previous experience/baggage which is impossible to achieve and they want you to give too many examples of having done X,Y and Z in other places. As well as the unnatural Vaudeville song and dance act better known as the over elaborate formal interview. Which goes back to my thread elsewhere about doo gooding educational pscyhologists.

LOOK! For CH****S sake If someone has neurological issues then their post education experiences are going to be comparatively limited because of it as they cannot and (or)WILL NOT be put in situations that are too far out of their zone of control and comfort.(Often through bitter experience.)

What else at this stage do you seriously expect?

(Many "good employers" probably wouldn't have given a job to somebody like the self employed American multi billionare financier Warren Buffet,worth £28 billion, as he is thought to have Aspergers Syndrome tendancies even if it's not been clinically diagnosed. His "handicap" has made him one of the wealthiest men on the planet!)

For people with these sort of issues if they've done something like get degrees (often because some idiot slavered something about them being "university material") that is as good as it gets unless it is MADE different!

If people with these conditions are not going to be given openings based on what they ARE as opposed to what they are NOT then those who work in the do gooding industry should be summarily WARNED!

If the answer is going to be that isn't the real world as far as career openings are concerned then isn't the retort that people with these issues did not do that to themselves and what planet are the disability do gooders living on then?

Don't tell somebody their the part unless out in the world they actually ARE the part! :@ :@ :@ :@
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Re: The impossibility of the application and inerview proces

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This is negative and self defeating, there are a lot of people who have very qualifications , but do not have the jobs or careers relating to their degrees.i say never give up on your dream career. sometimes we have to start at the bottom to get there or talk to people who are already in the industry.

there seems to be a lot of negativity surrounding dyspraxia, people telling us what we can't do. well i'm sorry, if i want to do something i will work hard to get there. yes a dyspraxic TRAIT
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Euphena wrote:This is negative and self defeating, there are a lot of people who have very qualifications , but do not have the jobs or careers relating to their degrees.i say never give up on your dream career. sometimes we have to start at the bottom to get there or talk to people who are already in the industry.

there seems to be a lot of negativity surrounding dyspraxia, people telling us what we can't do. well i'm sorry, if i want to do something i will work hard to get there. yes a dyspraxic TRAIT
Agree with the above.

Yes it is more difficult - especially at interview stage. You just have to persevere, if someone bats you down just get back up there and prove them wrong. I have been there, the constant knock backs and frustration with wondering why people don't wish to employ you.

Experience can come from many places, such as volunteering.
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i agree. Volunterring is a great way to show that you are willing and able. You use skills at home as well all the time and what you need to do is find the skills that they need, the general skills that you have, etc. You just need to go through all your skills and have an example of why you are good at this. I always get help when I have to go for an interview because I do really bad interviews. I need a lot of practice with the examples and the skills before an interview. I'm not great at unexpected questions. they really throw me and i wafle on like an idiot when they come up
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Albeit a long time ago when my father got an interview with his third employer in his working life (and it was a GOOD job for him; he stayed there until he retired 26 years later.) the guy who interviewed him gave it to him virtually on the spot because he JUST KNEW he had what was wanted. An interview that was supposed to last about half an hour was mainly spent discussing anything and everything else until the guy said to him "see you on Monday."

Now, as has been pointed out in the "Graduate Fog" Website (http://graduatefog.co.uk/) which I have contributed to in such threads as "are disabled graduates getting jobs"its more like an audition for X Factor. :rolleyes:

No wonder working remotely online with no social interaction seems to agree with me if that's what I and others can otherwise expect and thats where I think the comparison with Warren Buffett I made is apt.

The problem with volunteering(which I have also done) is that there needs to be with an organisation some mutal understanding as to what each expects from this. As has been pointed out in the Graduate Fog thread "am I aiming to high?" it should not be unreasonable for the volunteer to ask "what more do I have to demonstrate before you will consider me for a full time paid position"? so that there is some focus as to wether this will achieve anything regarding career posibilities.

Incidently I have been on a programme by REMPLOY for "Disabled Graduates employability":
http://www.remploy.co.uk/employmentserv ... ramme.ashx and with my new computer being ploughing through on MY OWN how to use Excel 2010 until it is locked in my brain.

Also an example of a dyspraxic trait! ;)
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Avarice I can read and feel your fustration, but you sound slightly defeatist. There are many people dyspraxic or not who do not get the careers they want, as well as this the recession isn't over, this has nothing to do with your disability, it mostly to with the job climate, and a bit of bad luck.

I don't see my dyspraxia and dyscalculia, yes a double wammy as an obstacle to getting what I want. To get on in life, you need people to help you get there. Unfortunately in the UK if you don't attend a red brick Uni, gain a 2:1 degree you have to work a bit harder to get the job you want, but you can get there if your presistent.

At present I work in retail and hate every moment of it, but I have no intention of staying in that industry and I'm making plans to leave.
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I agree. I'd love to be in a job relating to travel but in this climate it's never going to happen.
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Re: The impossibility of the application and inerview proces

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Euphena wrote:To get on in life, you need people to help you get there. Unfortunately in the UK if you don't attend a red brick Uni, gain a 2:1 degree you have to work a bit harder to get the job you want, but you can get there if your presistent..
By the way I went to a reasonably well respected University (cabinet members and have been to it) and got a 1st and have just get dicked over for any degree based job (wether or not directly related to the subject.)

Why look for only degree based jobs? Because It was said my issues would create obstacles unless it were really very low skilled and underpaid stuff if working at all.

As I said it was an educational psychologist do gooder who said otherwise above average ability and "university material".

What professional authority does one of them have to say something like that if they know nothing of real recruitment?

Top graduate employers like the Civil Service Fast Stream,PWC,BP,Shell, Marks & Spencer, Boots, Proctor and
Gamble and Mckinssey would probably be reduced by them to manic laughter.Have them rolling on the carpet. :lol:

Slog of a degree, (although I fortunately didn't need a loan) false expectation of becoming at least a medium earner with a good works pension, having property/assets outwith any inheritance all based on assumptions that creatures like them with their delusions of omniscience ACTUALLY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT!

Their the knaves,the charlatans,the purveyers of lies if neurodiverse people have too many issues to not just be readily snapped up for a graduate job wether or not directly related to their field instead of being the also rans in the could have amounted to anything good job market. :^o

Yes I know some of you claim to be here on your first million while having similar issues regardless and bully for you but there are degrees to which people are affected by these issues and if it's too competive, pressured, jobs are too scare and too London centred then the educational psychologist concerned should also look forward to a P45 for opening their stupid drooling mouths! =P~

"He's definitley university material " the educational psychologist said to my father. Now my older and wiser self knows for sure that she was "definitely an a****hole!

Oh and Euphena I don't really know anything about you other than what we reveal about each here but I would take with a pinch of salt any labelling of you as having "dyscalculia".

The reason being that was once used as a catch all term in connection with myself by that idiot educational psychologist and I can now do maths now up to quite an advanced level. While once having had an aversion to maths I know think that (unless the area of the brain has been damaged) ALL human beings of reasonabllly good intelligence like you and I can do mathematics beyond even basic stuff.

I think it is more likely to be the case that you have an inner mathemetician but you have been incompetently taught it before for the way your brain works. Einstein was rubbish at it in his school days.That certainly is my experience.
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Re: The impossibility of the application and inerview proces

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I'm very aware of labels and disabilities, this why I've never allowed my disability to prevent me from getting what I want. Your pessesmissm has nothing to do with your disability or ability as a bright student, you are simply unlucky at present. Ignore what the Ed Psych has said and get people to help you get the jobs and interview skills you need. I feel at present you lack confidence because you've been knocked back time and time again, this I'm afraid is life's reality dyspraxic or not, the difference with having a positive "no quit" attitude is that you will eventually get there.

So I say apply for those jobs you've listed, there's an organisation called the CV Centre which, for a fee will help you complete the application form to the employees requirements. OK it will cost you financially, but at least it'll give you a fighting chance to get the job you want. The key is get your foot in the door. If you get an interview use the help your receiving from the organisation you've posted to get you interview ready. Try a hypnosis tape to relax you and gain some confidence.

Instead of blaming others help yourself, seek others who can help you, take their advice and the rest is up to you. Disappointments can be a learning curve not a hindrance.

Stop blaming others and the world help yourself!!. i know what I is say is harsh, but their are many people who have a disability and are doing very well in life. You will to DON'T GIVE UP!!!
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Re: The impossibility of the application and inerview proces

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Life's a journey not a destination i do feel your pain im in a situation like yourself but u have to keep saying to yourself i Deserve and keep biggin urself up wer n ot just here to have a career well thats what i keep saying to myself build on your confidence for the time being and then go for it good luck
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calla wrote:Life's a journey not a destination i do feel your pain im in a situation like yourself but u have to keep saying to yourself i Deserve and keep biggin urself up wer n ot just here to have a career well thats what i keep saying to myself build on your confidence for the time being and then go for it good luck
i agree. The jobs that I had the best craic in were not ones that were going to be career makers. In fact the career jobs are really stressful and you have to put no end of work into them. The other jobs were great to build up confidence, I made good friends, I learned new skills that I wouldn't have learned otherwise, they gave me the time to work on other skills outside of work, other than lack of money they took the presure off for a while. These are our lives so it's up to us what we do. Seemingly people as a rule look back to what has happened in the past to see what they expect to happen in the future. No harm having an idea of how you would deal with your past situations if you could plan for them but no good obsessing about them. I should know....I'm still at the obsessive stage in my latest drama but I'm working on getting out of it with the help of a life coach. I normally would do this myself but i was so fed up having to deal with so much drama that I thought it might be a good idea to have a completely nutral person to help me work out a plan of action. I felt better after just one session. Hopefully I'll be able to get back on track soon.
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