Being compared to being on drugs

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Being compared to being on drugs

Post by hoogie » Tue May 01, 2018 11:49 pm

Hi!,

Its my first time writing on this forum but i thought i would work up the courage to properly join in. Recently ive had a few co-workers compare me to being on drugs or being high, I'm aware they intended the comment as a joke but it feels like its been said a lot more in the last week or so. Most of the time I tend to shrug it off ( ive had a lot worse said about me) but its been bugging me a lot. I'm just wondering if anyone has been in the same position and how you dealt with it. I tend to laugh it off in front of them but deep down it hurts a lot.

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Re: Being compared to being on drugs

Post by allesandro » Wed May 02, 2018 12:39 am

Yes, I've had that in the past. People accused me of it because of my tendency to dissociate under stress, as well as because of my issues with sensory integration dysfunction. People began to think that the reason I was engaged in a job that seemed beneath my intelligence, and because I couldn't even seem to handle that well, I must be on drugs. I also shrugged it off. Not a good idea. If you are complicit in this labeling, people will assume it's true. Eventually you will find your self scapegoated, because it will be considered a known fact that you have a drug issue, so let's blame the issue on you. You need to stand up for yourself and ask people not to say that about you because it's not true

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Re: Being compared to being on drugs

Post by hoogie » Wed May 02, 2018 12:58 am

Ive tried to explain on previous occasions that I don't take drugs. I think the thing that upsets me the most was I've explained my dyspraxia in detail in terms of how my brain processes a lot slower, struggles with short term memory ect. I don't think the type of job I work in either helps, I work in a pub and cocaine use tends to be common among customers and even staff. I'm still new to the working world ( i'm 22) so i find it hard to find that balance pointing out with an opinion about me without being too snappy or brutal.

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Re: Being compared to being on drugs

Post by allesandro » Wed May 02, 2018 2:12 am

In my experience this is a bad environment to work in---not for the faint of heart. People can be tough, and anyone who stands out for any reason will be scapegoated. If people are using drugs they will project their shame wherever they can. There's an old Italian expression," Hurry up and call her a whore before she calls you one" This is just human nature. I found that people drawn to this type of environment just like to sleep all day, work at night where they can drink and use drugs and then just party all night. As Mary Hopkin says in her 1968 song 'Those Were The Days,' these people get older but no wiser for in their hearts their dreams are still the same' Do yourself a favor and find a kinder, gentler environment in which to work

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Re: Being compared to being on drugs

Post by Tom fod » Thu May 03, 2018 10:18 pm

I had ptosis (drooping eyelids) and really got sick of the comments from some people at school/when I was a young adult. They're twats but it still cuts deep. I guess that's probably why I'm very anti-drugs
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Re: Being compared to being on drugs

Post by Dan » Fri May 04, 2018 9:56 am

Tom fod wrote:I had ptosis (drooping eyelids) and really got sick of the comments from some people at school/when I was a young adult. They're twats but it still cuts deep. I guess that's probably why I'm very anti-drugs
Anti-drugs legislation arguably harms more people than the drugs themselves in my opinion, especially in relation to marijuana.

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Re: Being compared to being on drugs

Post by RedRevolver » Fri May 04, 2018 4:30 pm

Dan wrote:
Tom fod wrote:I had ptosis (drooping eyelids) and really got sick of the comments from some people at school/when I was a young adult. They're twats but it still cuts deep. I guess that's probably why I'm very anti-drugs
Anti-drugs legislation arguably harms more people than the drugs themselves in my opinion, especially in relation to marijuana.
I agree, tbh. Can't say tobacco, caffeine and alcohol have been very good for me if I'm honest.

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Re: Being compared to being on drugs

Post by Tom fod » Fri May 04, 2018 4:54 pm

Dan wrote:
Anti-drugs legislation arguably harms more people than the drugs themselves in my opinion, especially in relation to marijuana.
I'm possibly shifting my position on fence a little in that while it's not for me, a lot of people find it helps and I feel some sort of legal access for therapeutic use wd be good. However, I suspect powers that be see that as thin edge of the wedge. As Redrevolver points out tobacco and alcohol are a legal source of all too prevalent ill for society when misused!
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Re: Being compared to being on drugs

Post by Dan » Mon May 07, 2018 12:16 am

Tom fod wrote:
Dan wrote:
Anti-drugs legislation arguably harms more people than the drugs themselves in my opinion, especially in relation to marijuana.
I'm possibly shifting my position on fence a little in that while it's not for me, a lot of people find it helps and I feel some sort of legal access for therapeutic use wd be good. However, I suspect powers that be see that as thin edge of the wedge. As Redrevolver points out tobacco and alcohol are a legal source of all too prevalent ill for society when misused!
Alcohol and tobacco are genuinely dangerous, yeah, but weed has never killed anybody in the thousands of years it has been smoked, so I'm glad that the US and Canada are waking up to the idea of legalisation. The UK is still somewhat behind, however.

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Re: Being compared to being on drugs

Post by Tom fod » Mon May 07, 2018 1:07 am

Dan wrote:Alcohol and tobacco are genuinely dangerous, yeah, but weed has never killed anybody in the thousands of years it has been smoked, so I'm glad that the US and Canada are waking up to the idea of legalisation. The UK is still somewhat behind, however.
Whilst some countries inc the Netherlands, a small number of US and Canadian states have decriminalised recreational cannabis, can it truly be considered completely free from risk of causing any harm?
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Re: Being compared to being on drugs

Post by Ram » Mon May 07, 2018 9:34 am

Dan wrote:Alcohol and tobacco are genuinely dangerous, yeah, but weed has never killed anybody in the thousands of years it has been smoked, so I'm glad that the US and Canada are waking up to the idea of legalisation. The UK is still somewhat behind, however.
I agree with you that laws that ban drugs and all other vices (e.g. porn, gambling) tend to be counterproductive. I personally think all vices from tobacco to hookers should be legalized for people who want to engage in them, but they should not be allowed to be advertised or otherwise marketed in public places.

Nonetheless, your statement that smoking weed has never killed anyone is I believe a tad rash, with due respect. The bit of reading that I have done from medical reports suggests that smoking marijuana is a potential possibly cause of all sorts of problems. First, it is pretty well-known that smoking any carbon based substance harms the lungs. Second, it is also known that consumption of marijuana while pregnant can seriously harm the foetus. Third, there is some evidence that its use can reduce IQ. Finally, one report that I read even suggested that the only reason that marijuana kills fewer people than tobacco and alcohol is that it is much less widely used because it is not readily available.

I can send you some sources if you're interested.

Tom fod said:[/b]

"Whilst some countries inc the Netherlands, a small number of US and Cadadian states have decriminalised recreational cannabis, can it truly be considered completely free from risk of causing any harm?"

Very well said, Tom.

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Re: Being compared to being on drugs

Post by Dan » Mon May 07, 2018 10:15 pm

Ram wrote:
Dan wrote:Alcohol and tobacco are genuinely dangerous, yeah, but weed has never killed anybody in the thousands of years it has been smoked, so I'm glad that the US and Canada are waking up to the idea of legalisation. The UK is still somewhat behind, however.
I agree with you that laws that ban drugs and all other vices (e.g. porn, gambling) tend to be counterproductive. I personally think all vices from tobacco to hookers should be legalized for people who want to engage in them, but they should not be allowed to be advertised or otherwise marketed in public places.

Nonetheless, your statement that smoking weed has never killed anyone is I believe a tad rash, with due respect. The bit of reading that I have done from medical reports suggests that smoking marijuana is a potential possibly cause of all sorts of problems. First, it is pretty well-known that smoking any carbon based substance harms the lungs. Second, it is also known that consumption of marijuana while pregnant can seriously harm the foetus. Third, there is some evidence that its use can reduce IQ. Finally, one report that I read even suggested that the only reason that marijuana kills fewer people than tobacco and alcohol is that it is much less widely used because it is not readily available.

I can send you some sources if you're interested.

Tom fod said:[/b]

"Whilst some countries inc the Netherlands, a small number of US and Cadadian states have decriminalised recreational cannabis, can it truly be considered completely free from risk of causing any harm?"

Very well said, Tom.
We accept risk with every decision we take. My point is that either alcohol, weed and tobacco should be illegal or they should all be legal. The way it works right now implies that weed is more dangerous, when it is far less dangerous.

Of course, weed brings with it some risks, but if it is vapourised, it does not damage the lungs, and THC is a bronchodilator, meaning that it doesn't irritate asthmatics like tobacco does. If one is to smoke weed daily for years at a young age, it has been shown to be correlated with a lower IQ, but abusing any drug long-term whilst we're still developing is obviously going to cause that issue. Of course, it could be argued that people may start smoking weed every day as a result of having a low IQ already, as it's not exactly smart, so it's not known whether there's causation there or not.

My main point is simply that pushing weed underground is not the best way to reduce the risks. Prohibition in America increased alcohol deaths five-fold and the clandestine nature of weed use mandated by its illegality only increases the risks in my humble opinion.

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Re: Being compared to being on drugs

Post by Ram » Tue May 08, 2018 5:12 pm

Dan wrote:

We accept risk with every decision we take. My point is that either alcohol, weed and tobacco should be illegal or they should all be legal. The way it works right now implies that weed is more dangerous, when it is far less dangerous.


My main point is simply that pushing weed underground is not the best way to reduce the risks. Prohibition in America increased alcohol deaths five-fold and the clandestine nature of weed use mandated by its illegality only increases the risks in my humble opinion.
I agree with your main point that making weed legal would be a sensible move for all the reasons that you have mentioned.

I am rather agnostic about the relative risks of weed compared to tobacco and alcohol. That is partly because research into the effects of weed is rather limited compared to the extensive number of studies done on the effects of alcohol and tobacco use in the last 50 or so years. Of course, if cannabis were legalized, the number of studies on the effects of its use would eventually multiply.

When it comes to the two major legal drugs, I have a basic summary. Alcohol doesn't harm your health or life expectancy at all in moderation (e.g. 30 ml of wine a week), but it can kill you in hours if taken in excessive doses (e.g. 50 liters of wine in 12 hours). On the other hand, tobacco harms your health and life expectancy somewhat even in small amounts (one cigarette a day) and is exceedingly unhealthy in large amounts (40 + cigarettes a day) but takes years to kill even in such high doses.

In your opinion, is weed a bit like alcohol in that it's harmless in sensible amounts? (But probably nowhere near as deadly as alcohol if taken in large amounts). Or is that too hard a question?

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Re: Being compared to being on drugs

Post by Dan » Tue May 08, 2018 6:12 pm

Ram wrote:
Dan wrote:

We accept risk with every decision we take. My point is that either alcohol, weed and tobacco should be illegal or they should all be legal. The way it works right now implies that weed is more dangerous, when it is far less dangerous.


My main point is simply that pushing weed underground is not the best way to reduce the risks. Prohibition in America increased alcohol deaths five-fold and the clandestine nature of weed use mandated by its illegality only increases the risks in my humble opinion.
I agree with your main point that making weed legal would be a sensible move for all the reasons that you have mentioned.

I am rather agnostic about the relative risks of weed compared to tobacco and alcohol. That is partly because research into the effects of weed is rather limited compared to the extensive number of studies done on the effects of alcohol and tobacco use in the last 50 or so years. Of course, if cannabis were legalized, the number of studies on the effects of its use would eventually multiply.

When it comes to the two major legal drugs, I have a basic summary. Alcohol doesn't harm your health or life expectancy at all in moderation (e.g. 30 ml of wine a week), but it can kill you in hours if taken in excessive doses (e.g. 50 liters of wine in 12 hours). On the other hand, tobacco harms your health and life expectancy somewhat even in small amounts (one cigarette a day) and is exceedingly unhealthy in large amounts (40 + cigarettes a day) but takes years to kill even in such high doses.

In your opinion, is weed a bit like alcohol in that it's harmless in sensible amounts? (But probably nowhere near as deadly as alcohol if taken in large amounts). Or is that too hard a question?
I would argue that weed is definitely less harmful than alcohol in moderation based on my own experience, although moderate alcohol use is actually perfectly healthy on the whole. The primary concern with weed is that if people have latent schizophrenia, it can exacerbate symptoms, but I would much rather somebody smoked weed every few days than drank moderately every few days in terms of the impact on well-being long-term. This is generally accepted even amongst the medical community I think, but obviously it is better not to take any drugs at all.

One qualitative way in which weed is better than alcohol is that weed can really spark creativity, and one actually remembers a lot of what happens to them on weed the next day, whereas even moderate drinking can really destroy our memories of events. Weed definitely makes our memory poorer when we're on it, but not to the same extent. This is more of a psychological point than anything, but I feel that it is better that we are able to remember most of the events in our leisure time.

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Re: Being compared to being on drugs

Post by Ram » Wed May 09, 2018 7:52 pm

Dan wrote:
I would argue that weed is definitely less harmful than alcohol in moderation based on my own experience, although moderate alcohol use is actually perfectly healthy on the whole. The primary concern with weed is that if people have latent schizophrenia, it can exacerbate symptoms, but I would much rather somebody smoked weed every few days than drank moderately every few days in terms of the impact on well-being long-term. This is generally accepted even amongst the medical community I think, but obviously it is better not to take any drugs at all.

One qualitative way in which weed is better than alcohol is that weed can really spark creativity, and one actually remembers a lot of what happens to them on weed the next day, whereas even moderate drinking can really destroy our memories of events. Weed definitely makes our memory poorer when we're on it, but not to the same extent. This is more of a psychological point than anything, but I feel that it is better that we are able to remember most of the events in our leisure time.
I always thought that people who drank very modest amounts of alcohol (I.e. five units or less week) were supposed to be healthier than teetotalers according to medical research. Maybe this information is out of date. From a subjective point of view, I have never felt even moderate intake of alcohol does me much good. I find it extremely energy depleting for starters!

I've never used weed even though I tentatively support its legalzation, so I can't comment on its creativity inducing properties but I have heard about this before.

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