Im going to bring out a topic for us dyspraxics, about medication anti depressants .
We all know dyspraxia alone can be depression and a heavy burden it can be day to day basis.
Some people find help or groups to go to that help them as along with dyspraxia, and some people there is no hope for finding a group or getting the Dr or councilor to understand what dysprexia is; cuz they don't know what it is in first place , no foul towards them it just way how the system worKS lack of knowledge specially in canada bc .
We all know these meds at times are strong and can have side effects , but what if your dysprexic and have depression anxiety to add along the way to your daily routines. If the Drs does not know your symtoms or anything that do with dysprexic minds ,and they sign u off to a medication not knowing the knowledge or background on dyspraxia but knowing the knowledge of depression . Is that scary to you?? Or how would that work .
Cuz I'm going on a roller coaster ride , and DRs here don't know a thing about dyspraxia. And I hate to find out I'm taking something that is harming my mind knowing Its already hard at it is having dysprexia in first place.
Depression pills vs Dyspraxia = roller coaster ???
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Re: Depression pills vs Dyspraxia = roller coaster ???
Morgan
Thanks for raising this topic. I've moved it but have left a redirect in place. Sadly I don't know the answers but here are some of my thoughts:
Mental health issues do seem to go hand in hand with dyspraxia and I have no doubt there is an interrelationship that needs to be better recognised. Life is a struggle for many and dyspraxia can and does compound the difficulties and challenges of day to day life and work. Attitudes to hidden disabilities and mental health might have improved but there are still far too many misconceptions, a great deal of ignorance and a fear about talking openly. People are afraid to talk because they fear they will be seen as weak and it is 'up to them to pull themselves together'. Sadly such attitudes still persist and are really quite dangerous!
I have a theory that convincing Doctors that they are overlooking something can be a battle as some may incorrectly assume it is an attack on their expertise. Equally they can only offer the treatment/therapy choices that are available to offer and these options can be constrained by factors like cost, demand, priority and geographic location.
My (incomplete/limited) understanding is that antidepressants are not meant to be a stand alone or long-term treatment and should be used to complement/or as a complement to counselling or other talking therapies so that people can boost inbuilt resilience and develop their own coping strategies enabling to recover their grip on life and fulfil and develop their potential.
With Dyspraxia (aka DCD) there is also the incorrect notion that people will 'grow out of it'. Unfortunately it's a lifelong condition and while you can learn to live with it or even defy it, it can and does rear its head and make life doubly miserable for those affected. It's a constant battle to not let it define who and/or how we are. Unfortunately some of the things that can be positives like persistence can also serve to hurt us and heighten pain and distress as we will keep running at a brick wall studded with jagged glass when we maybe could actually find another way around or over.
I'd really like to see other peoples thoughts and impressions as we will all have different perspectives based on our own personal experience and expertise. By all means feel free to agree/disagree and challenge my ideas and add your own.
Thanks in anticipation
Thanks for raising this topic. I've moved it but have left a redirect in place. Sadly I don't know the answers but here are some of my thoughts:
Mental health issues do seem to go hand in hand with dyspraxia and I have no doubt there is an interrelationship that needs to be better recognised. Life is a struggle for many and dyspraxia can and does compound the difficulties and challenges of day to day life and work. Attitudes to hidden disabilities and mental health might have improved but there are still far too many misconceptions, a great deal of ignorance and a fear about talking openly. People are afraid to talk because they fear they will be seen as weak and it is 'up to them to pull themselves together'. Sadly such attitudes still persist and are really quite dangerous!
I have a theory that convincing Doctors that they are overlooking something can be a battle as some may incorrectly assume it is an attack on their expertise. Equally they can only offer the treatment/therapy choices that are available to offer and these options can be constrained by factors like cost, demand, priority and geographic location.
My (incomplete/limited) understanding is that antidepressants are not meant to be a stand alone or long-term treatment and should be used to complement/or as a complement to counselling or other talking therapies so that people can boost inbuilt resilience and develop their own coping strategies enabling to recover their grip on life and fulfil and develop their potential.
With Dyspraxia (aka DCD) there is also the incorrect notion that people will 'grow out of it'. Unfortunately it's a lifelong condition and while you can learn to live with it or even defy it, it can and does rear its head and make life doubly miserable for those affected. It's a constant battle to not let it define who and/or how we are. Unfortunately some of the things that can be positives like persistence can also serve to hurt us and heighten pain and distress as we will keep running at a brick wall studded with jagged glass when we maybe could actually find another way around or over.
I'd really like to see other peoples thoughts and impressions as we will all have different perspectives based on our own personal experience and expertise. By all means feel free to agree/disagree and challenge my ideas and add your own.
Thanks in anticipation
Tom
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Re: Depression pills vs Dyspraxia = roller coaster ???
As a med student: CBT (cognitive behavioural therapy) is more effective than antidepressants, plus it has no side effects.
As far as I'm aware, having dyspraxia shouldn't alter the way anidepressants work on us, because I don't believe dyspraxia itself affects monoamine levels, so I don't think that it would affect the Dr's decision.
As far as I'm aware, having dyspraxia shouldn't alter the way anidepressants work on us, because I don't believe dyspraxia itself affects monoamine levels, so I don't think that it would affect the Dr's decision.
Re: Depression pills vs Dyspraxia = roller coaster ???
I just know these mess are not working and have major side effects warnings. I'm tired so tired of all of this I'm battling with long term disibility company for my work entitles us to get if we are injured or have illness . There investigating if they should continue my claim. It's been 2 month of cat and mouse and dealing with stress more stress that I don't need right now, it's putting me in a more of deep depression state . And theses pills are like acid to me , I'm going to counciling but they don't know about dyspraxia . All they can do is give me pills , my behavior is defently going through the crap shoot.
I am getting so antsy and it seems I am biting my tongue when I go in and talk , and when I go home anything will bother me and I snap , anxiety through the roof , it was getting better for few month but now I tried to show the theropiest a clip of dyspraxia and the struggles and they won't even look at it or brush me off.
So I still go in and it helps me I guess for venting out , but through this long term benifits package I have a going on , I have a bad feeling there screwing it all up for me and twisting it around. I don't know there just saying OK we are going to adress it like u have depression not focus on dyspraxia which is a disibility I will have all my life . I'm confused and scared cuz I can't have them shut down on me in last notice . For it will just screw me up totally, for no income I won't receive . Any advice
I am getting so antsy and it seems I am biting my tongue when I go in and talk , and when I go home anything will bother me and I snap , anxiety through the roof , it was getting better for few month but now I tried to show the theropiest a clip of dyspraxia and the struggles and they won't even look at it or brush me off.
So I still go in and it helps me I guess for venting out , but through this long term benifits package I have a going on , I have a bad feeling there screwing it all up for me and twisting it around. I don't know there just saying OK we are going to adress it like u have depression not focus on dyspraxia which is a disibility I will have all my life . I'm confused and scared cuz I can't have them shut down on me in last notice . For it will just screw me up totally, for no income I won't receive . Any advice
Re: Depression pills vs Dyspraxia = roller coaster ???
I think part of the issue here is the lack of knowledge about dyspraxia. If a doctor knows nothing about a condition, they would need to spend hours reading journals etc to be familiar enough to address it clinically.
People might also be focusing more on depression because it is more treatable; you have to learn to live with dyspraxia, whereas with proper counseling and medication, the symptoms of depression can be greatly reduced, and the depression may even be cured.
Try to keep your head up man, the more positive you pretend to be, the more positive you will eventually become
People might also be focusing more on depression because it is more treatable; you have to learn to live with dyspraxia, whereas with proper counseling and medication, the symptoms of depression can be greatly reduced, and the depression may even be cured.
Try to keep your head up man, the more positive you pretend to be, the more positive you will eventually become
Re: Depression pills vs Dyspraxia = roller coaster ???
i didn't know i was dyspraxic when i went to the dr. about anxiety... the woman told me i had depression, gave me some pills, and i ended up in a psych ward for 2 weeks out of my god damn mind with paranoia and delusions. now i know i'm dyspraxic, it's frustrating how little there seems to be that i can actually do about it... i'm studying fine art and it seems like i am being told since i can't climb up the hill, i should just go round the side instead. shitty analogy but i can't think of anything else to describe how it feels. everyone else is off on the hill path and im on my own, either very far behind or a little ahead depending on how you look at it, but that's not the point. i wanted to go to the top of the ****ing hill!!
so in summary, sorry for the deviations, i think yes, those pills can cause a paradoxical reaction in anyone regardless of dyspraxia or anything else- dyspraxics could be more at risk, i think we have a higher incidence of schizoprenia in adulthood which suggests theres some funny **** going on with lateralisation as well as immaturity of cerebellum.
ps. hello dyspraxia world, i'd say we'd be friends, but i have trouble keeping those......
so in summary, sorry for the deviations, i think yes, those pills can cause a paradoxical reaction in anyone regardless of dyspraxia or anything else- dyspraxics could be more at risk, i think we have a higher incidence of schizoprenia in adulthood which suggests theres some funny **** going on with lateralisation as well as immaturity of cerebellum.
ps. hello dyspraxia world, i'd say we'd be friends, but i have trouble keeping those......
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Re: Depression pills vs Dyspraxia = roller coaster ???
I received my dysphraxia diagnosis (finally) at the age of 42, I am 54 now. I was also told by the same assessor that I have dyscalculia at the time of this diagnosis I had spent some 25 years working in corporate finance, a career chosen for me by my parents, it seems that I had coping tools I wasn't aware of, and that just goes to show to me that a label does not mean we are restricted or defined by them. I confess however that work has always been a real stressful and unenjoyable part of my life, I would never ever have chosen this path myself.
I have suffered with depression since the age of 8 I now know that it was depression that caused this the first experience of wanting to end my life - I almost got to throw myself out of the bathroom window for which I was seriously chastised, smacked and sent to bed with no tea and that was the end of that. This event in hindsight was clearly the signal albeit ignored of a lifetime war with depression.
My teenage years were particularly difficult, my parents are strict Victorian minded disciplinarians (6 children) and to this day they do not, nor do they wish to understand mental illness in any form. I am considered to be the black sheep of the family shamed by this thing called clumsiness and depression despite having managed a reasonable career a successful marriage and the associated trappings I am not accepted as my siblings are and rarely see nor hear from any family.
My parents said they couldn't take me anywhere without worry, if there was one item in a huge empty room I would fall over and or break it or hurt myself, I constantly interrupted their spoken sentences (I still do its a dysphraxic trait I hate I am told due to lack of short term memory) I have always always struggled with day to day tidiness, which I find strange as I function best in a well organised tidy environment, something I rarely achieve at home. I have places for everything (baskets everywhere) and yet things don't seem to find the way back to them. I constantly can't find my keys, purse, handbag, shoes, satnav, etc etc and I am always late no matter how much time i dedicate beforehand to getting ready! This thing makes life so stressful. I can not tell you the sense of relief diagnosis brought knowing that it was a condition it wasn't me just being crap.
My lifetime of depressive episodes caused me to withdraw during them from family and society in general - sometimes for months at a time, my family and some friends have at times considered this to be rude and a form of rejection. Criticism and disappointment was and remains the norm with all but one of my family members who helps when she can despite her own physical ill health.
Three years ago I took the decision to cease all medication, I have been prescribed many many antidepressants over the years, various verbal and group therapies none of which were able to eradicate this unwelcome pest. I can't help but wonder if the dysphraxia had been acknowledge and addressed I may have been spared. Personally for me the side effects of medication (primarily fog) outweigh any benefit for me is this because its the dyphraxia and not depression I ask myself. Now I manage my depression holistically. I have discovered that good nutrition including supplements, consistent hydration and exercise is of paramount importance when living with my unwelcome friend "depression" and theres lots of other things I do to help too.
I have never been a lover of sports as my body just was not coordinated enough to take part without ridicule in any team. I tried tennis, squash, badminton, netball, rounders during my adult life the only thing I could ever do well was swim but was removed from the team I joined in my 20's as my stroke was not sufficiently controlled!
I discovered in my mid 40's that street running awarded me "mind freedom". Nowadays I suffer with arthritis and can no longer run but I walk as much as I can daily out in the fresh air I cannot stress enough how much it helps to both ward off depression and deal with episodes when they do arise (much less frequently these days) I would urge fellow suffers to do some form of exercise out in the open air year round. I have tried treadmills indoors but they do not have the same effect for me. I have two dogs which make walking it all the more enjoyable and at times a chore but I know if I stop the depression will appear on my shoulder sooner rather than later.
I don't know the answer to this conundrum pills-v-anti depressants but I have found my own way of living with both these beasts rather than the resignation to it. Finally, I am not recommending that anyone comes off medication its dangerous to just stop with some of the antidepressants, I am just outlining how I have coped with it and wish you all well with your journey.
I have suffered with depression since the age of 8 I now know that it was depression that caused this the first experience of wanting to end my life - I almost got to throw myself out of the bathroom window for which I was seriously chastised, smacked and sent to bed with no tea and that was the end of that. This event in hindsight was clearly the signal albeit ignored of a lifetime war with depression.
My teenage years were particularly difficult, my parents are strict Victorian minded disciplinarians (6 children) and to this day they do not, nor do they wish to understand mental illness in any form. I am considered to be the black sheep of the family shamed by this thing called clumsiness and depression despite having managed a reasonable career a successful marriage and the associated trappings I am not accepted as my siblings are and rarely see nor hear from any family.
My parents said they couldn't take me anywhere without worry, if there was one item in a huge empty room I would fall over and or break it or hurt myself, I constantly interrupted their spoken sentences (I still do its a dysphraxic trait I hate I am told due to lack of short term memory) I have always always struggled with day to day tidiness, which I find strange as I function best in a well organised tidy environment, something I rarely achieve at home. I have places for everything (baskets everywhere) and yet things don't seem to find the way back to them. I constantly can't find my keys, purse, handbag, shoes, satnav, etc etc and I am always late no matter how much time i dedicate beforehand to getting ready! This thing makes life so stressful. I can not tell you the sense of relief diagnosis brought knowing that it was a condition it wasn't me just being crap.
My lifetime of depressive episodes caused me to withdraw during them from family and society in general - sometimes for months at a time, my family and some friends have at times considered this to be rude and a form of rejection. Criticism and disappointment was and remains the norm with all but one of my family members who helps when she can despite her own physical ill health.
Three years ago I took the decision to cease all medication, I have been prescribed many many antidepressants over the years, various verbal and group therapies none of which were able to eradicate this unwelcome pest. I can't help but wonder if the dysphraxia had been acknowledge and addressed I may have been spared. Personally for me the side effects of medication (primarily fog) outweigh any benefit for me is this because its the dyphraxia and not depression I ask myself. Now I manage my depression holistically. I have discovered that good nutrition including supplements, consistent hydration and exercise is of paramount importance when living with my unwelcome friend "depression" and theres lots of other things I do to help too.
I have never been a lover of sports as my body just was not coordinated enough to take part without ridicule in any team. I tried tennis, squash, badminton, netball, rounders during my adult life the only thing I could ever do well was swim but was removed from the team I joined in my 20's as my stroke was not sufficiently controlled!
I discovered in my mid 40's that street running awarded me "mind freedom". Nowadays I suffer with arthritis and can no longer run but I walk as much as I can daily out in the fresh air I cannot stress enough how much it helps to both ward off depression and deal with episodes when they do arise (much less frequently these days) I would urge fellow suffers to do some form of exercise out in the open air year round. I have tried treadmills indoors but they do not have the same effect for me. I have two dogs which make walking it all the more enjoyable and at times a chore but I know if I stop the depression will appear on my shoulder sooner rather than later.
I don't know the answer to this conundrum pills-v-anti depressants but I have found my own way of living with both these beasts rather than the resignation to it. Finally, I am not recommending that anyone comes off medication its dangerous to just stop with some of the antidepressants, I am just outlining how I have coped with it and wish you all well with your journey.